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Washington Women’s Heritage Project records, 1900-2000 
University of Washington Libraries Special Collections 
Alice Shale Newton 
1981 
Cassette 1, Side 2 
 
 
Jill G. Smith  00:00 
--your grandmother, she's really-- she's really so interesting. I could think you could talk for 
hours about her.  
 
Alice Newton  00:10 
Well, uh-- 
 
Winona Weber  00:12 
How many of you would go up when you'd go to Queets for the-- for what was that for in the 
summer? 
 
Alice Newton  00:19 
Oh, I-- 
 
Jill G. Smith  00:19 
Oh, Lake Quinault.  
 
Alice Newton  00:20 
Oh, Lake Quinault. Oh, anybody [inaudible] wanna go there would-- my dad and I would go, and 
my grandmother, and--  
 
Friend of Alice  00:27 
[?Dee Dee?], and... 
 
Alice Newton  00:28 
[?Dee Dee?] and--  
 
Friend of Alice  00:29 
Sunny.  
 
Alice Newton  00:30 
And Sunny and-- 
 
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Friend of Alice  00:31 
[?Me?].  
 
Alice Newton  00:32 
And [?Pat?] and Gene Jackson, called him Cubby Jackson-- 
 
Friend of Alice  00:39 
Cubby. 
 
Alice Newton  00:40 
And, uh... [?Dooroo?] Jackson and Uncle [inaudible].  
 
Friend of Alice  00:41 
[?Dooroo?]. 
 
Winona Weber  00:46 
What was her name?  
 
00:47 
Oh, yeah.  
 
Alice Newton  00:48 
It's Alis-- Ali--  
 
Friend of Alice  00:49 
[?Alison Colwell?].  
 
Alice Newton  00:50 
Her grandma was my mom-- my grandma's real close friend. Anyhow, they used to go up there, 
too. They had anoth-- a house right next to ours.  
 
Friend of Alice  00:59 
Right next door. And then the turn.  
 
Alice Newton  01:03 
Can't remember what her name is, but it was Uncle Jonah and... 
 
Friend of Alice  01:09 
Bertha?  
 
Alice Newton  01:10 
No.  
 
Friend of Alice  01:10 
No, not Bertha. Bertha was the daughter. 
 
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Alice Newton  01:15 
Don't know what her name was. And Alice Cole and Freddy Cole. And then there was...  
 
Winona Weber  01:20 
Did [?Hoppy?] [inaudible] use to come up there? 
 
Alice Newton  01:25 
Mm-hmm.  
 
Winona Weber  01:25 
Yeah, [?Hoppy?], yeah. 
 
Alice Newton  01:26 
And his--  
 
Winona Weber  01:28 
What was her name? 
 
Friend of Alice  01:31 
Dolly? 
 
Alice Newton  01:32 
Dolly.  
 
Winona Weber  01:33 
Was it Dolly? 
 
Friend of Alice  01:34 
Yeah, Dolly. 
 
Alice Newton  01:35 
They used to be [inaudible]. 
 
Winona Weber  01:35 
Sounds like half the village went. 
 
Friend of Alice  01:37 
Uh-huh. That was summer.  
 
Alice Newton  01:38 
Yeah, there was three establishments there, homes, you know.  
 
Friend of Alice  01:42 
[Inaudible] and Jameses. 
 
Alice Newton  01:44 
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It was in a inlet there, it was really, really neat. Or was there four? [Laughter.] Jameses was 
there, too, ain't he?  
 
Friend of Alice  01:51 
Yeah--  
 
Alice Newton  01:52 
There must have been four.  
 
Friend of Alice  01:53 
--the Jameses are still there.  
 
Alice Newton  01:55 
But we go up there and then they really... Oh, and then [?Ancy?] Heisman and them used to 
come up there, too. 
 
Winona Weber  02:03 
Yeah. 
 
Alice Newton  02:04 
They were there, too, but a little ways from us.  
 
Friend of Alice  02:07 
Yeah, down and around.  
 
Alice Newton  02:08 
And then sometimes I'd go up to Queets with my grandfather, up there in Queets. And that was 
real interesting, too, 'cause I-- that-- that's where I got fished out. 'Cause we'd have fish hash for 
breakfast and fried--  
 
Winona Weber  02:26 
Fish what?  
 
Alice Newton  02:27 
Fish hash.  
 
Friend of Alice  02:28 
Hash. 
 
Winona Weber  02:28 
What's that?  
 
Alice Newton  02:29 
Fish hash with potatoes--  
 
Friend of Alice  02:30 
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You know, potatoes and onions and-- 
 
Alice Newton  02:32 
--and fish and stuff in it.  
 
Friend of Alice  02:32 
put your fish in it.  
 
Alice Newton  02:33 
You know, fish hash in the mornings, instead of eggs and stuff like that, we'd have fish hash. 
Then for lunch we'd have either fried fish or something like that. And then we'd have fish for 
supper. We'd have fish three times a day.  
 
Friend of Alice  02:44 
Right, fish, or baked fish and boil potatoes.  
 
Alice Newton  02:47 
But my grandfather was real neat, too, then. He used to go to town almost every day.  
 
Friend of Alice  02:54 
Name was Johnny.  
 
Alice Newton  02:55 
Yeah. I don't remember what I called him, but I had a step-grandmother. But I used to always 
paddle around with my aunt; killed all the time. And Helen. 
 
Friend of Alice  03:07 
Yeah, [?Aunt?] Helen. 
 
Alice Newton  03:08 
They were real glamour girls up there.  
 
Winona Weber  03:11 
Oh, really?  
 
Alice Newton  03:12 
Mm-hmm. 
 
Winona Weber  03:12 
What would you do when you paddled around with them? 
 
Alice Newton  03:14 
Oh, just follow them around. But they-- all they'd do is go down and look at the boys and-- 
 
Friend of Alice  03:18 
'Course they were a little older.  
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Alice Newton  03:19 
Yeah, a little bit! 
 
Friend of Alice  03:21 
Uh-huh. 
 
Alice Newton  03:23 
But my grandfather, he'd put me to sleep every night. Set me on his knee and [crosstalk] say 
"Alice Shale, yeah! Alice Shale, yeah." [Inaudible] and I'd go on and nod and go to sleep. But I 
used to go-- we used to go eel fishing and stuff there, too, remember? 
 
Friend of Alice  03:46 
Mm-hmm. I remember catching those snakes.  
 
Alice Newton  03:49 
Yeah, and I got-- [inaudible] catching eels. Patsy and I caught a bunch of snakes, we thought 
they were eels. I had nightmares when they told me they were snakes. Always thought they all 
looked the same. I don't know what the difference is.  
 
Winona Weber  04:04 
They do.  How do you catch an eel? 
 
Alice Newton  04:09 
With our hands; we've got some with our hands, too, and that's [inaudible]. Or maybe that's the 
snakes we caught in our hands. [Laughter.] We had a whole tub. We always thought we were 
helping them, though. [Laughter.] Snakes. 
 
Winona Weber  04:30 
Was your grandmother sort of the leader of that group when they'd go to-- go up to Lake 
Quinault?  
 
Alice Newton  04:35 
Yeah. Yeah, she dried fish and dried meat and stuff like that up there, too. Canned berries and 
canned elk meat and stuff like that.  
 
Friend of Alice  04:47 
When you have a meal -- like [?Chicha?] would put on meals -- she would go outside and she 
had a bell. She would go ring the bell at the door. Anybody was-- anybody heard the bell ringin', 
well they were always welcome to come and share what we had. And it was boiled potatoes and 
fish. 
 
Alice Newton  04:47 
She'd always boil potatoes with seal oil. 
 
Friend of Alice  04:47 
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Blackberries, she always had canned blackberries. 
 
Alice Newton  04:55 
And [?Chi'a?] had a-- she had one room in the house there that was just shelves and shelves of 
canned food. 
 
Friend of Alice  05:23 
Canned goods. 
 
Alice Newton  05:24 
Shelves of it. And she just gave most of it all away and [inaudible]. 
 
Friend of Alice  05:30 
Only thing she ever wanted back was her jars, jars and rings. But you still want them back, 
[inaudible] jar. Canned fruit away, or canned anything away, you still would want your jar and 
your ring back. 
 
Alice Newton  05:45 
Oh, yeah. 
 
Winona Weber  05:49 
Would she dry the salmon or would she smoke it? 
 
Alice Newton  05:53 
Both. 
 
Friend of Alice  05:53 
Both. 
 
Alice Newton  05:54 
Both. She had a smokehouse and then she had lines back at the stove where she'd dry it too. You 
know, strip it real small and then-- and hang it over there, would dry. That's what we used to put 
in our pocket, that really dried stuff. [Inaudible] used to cut it up in bite sized pieces and stuff it 
in our pockets and that would be our day's food. [Laughter.] 
 
Winona Weber  06:22 
Sounds pretty good. 
 
Alice Newton  06:25 
That and berries. I don't know what we ever drank. I can't think of-- remember drinking 
anything. 
 
Winona Weber  06:35 
[Inaudible]. 
 
Alice Newton  06:35 
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No, I mean anything! Water. [Laughter.]  
 
Friend of Alice  06:39 
Water and Castoria. [Laughter.]  
 
Alice Newton  06:40 
Castoria [Laughter.] Then we went across. 
 
Friend of Alice  06:46 
Alice was the only one who got hooked on Castoria, though.  
 
Winona Weber  06:48 
You didn't, no?  
 
Friend of Alice  06:49 
No. And not after I'd see her. Gee, she would head for the back door. [Laughter.] 
 
Alice Newton  06:56 
Out to the outhouse.  
 
Friend of Alice  06:58 
Gee, it's beautiful down there. House is still standing.  
 
Alice Newton  07:02 
Is it? 
 
Friend of Alice  07:03 
Mm-hmm. 
 
Alice Newton  07:03 
You know, I couldn't find that place.  
 
Friend of Alice  07:04 
[Inaudible] is still saying you got to cut through the blackberry bushes to get to it, though. 
 
Alice Newton  07:07 
No trail no more, huh? 
 
Friend of Alice  07:07 
Unh-uh. 
 
Alice Newton  07:08 
It had a real nice inlet, you know. A little [inaudible]. 
 
Winona Weber  07:13 
Where?  
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Alice Newton  07:14 
In Quinault. 
 
Friend of Alice  07:15 
Where Jonah Cole's house is, you go down from the from the north shore. And you go down that 
hill like this, and Jonah Cole's house is right here and it's right around the turn like this. Well, 
[?Chicha?]'s house is right there. This-- it just a skeleton. But it's still standing. And then the 
water-- 
 
Winona Weber  07:32 
[Inaudible] find it somewhere.  
 
Friend of Alice  07:33 
And then the gravel pit still goes down like this. And there's the apple trees right there. I go over 
there, reminisce.  
 
Alice Newton  07:43 
Do ya? You'll have to show me sometime.  
 
Friend of Alice  07:45 
Reminisce and think, "Oh, how crazy we were."  
 
Alice Newton  07:50 
Well Pat and I went with-- who was it? What's [?Teboo?]'s wife's name?  
 
Friend of Alice  07:57 
Hazel. [Inaudible].  
 
Alice Newton  07:58 
Hazel's mother.  
 
Friend of Alice  07:59 
Yeah. 
 
Alice Newton  08:00 
Do you remember when we went over to the graveyards with her?  
 
Friend of Alice  08:05 
Yeah.  
 
Alice Newton  08:06 
And we were just prancin' around there and we fell through a hole and we seen that skeleton. 
 
Friend of Alice  08:10 
Yeah. 
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Winona Weber  08:11 
Where was that?  
 
Friend of Alice  08:12 
'Cross the river. 
 
Alice Newton  08:12 
'Cross the river at the old graveyard over there. 
 
Winona Weber  08:14 
Oh. 
 
Friend of Alice  08:14 
And it was a-- 
 
Alice Newton  08:16 
Woo, that was scary. We were there pickin' berries, eatin'. Eatin' the berries--  
 
Friend of Alice  08:21 
And it was in a graveyard. 
 
Alice Newton  08:23 
--in the graveyard. Nurtured by dead people. [Laughter.] 
 
Friend of Alice  08:25 
Yeah, well fertilized. 
 
Alice Newton  08:31 
And we'd go down--  
 
Friend of Alice  08:31 
And they were good, too. [Laughter.] 
 
Alice Newton  08:35 
Then we used to go down--  
 
Friend of Alice  08:35 
[Laughter.]  
 
Alice Newton  08:36 
--go down the other side the ocean. We'd go other side the ocean down there and walk on the 
beach and there's a tunnel there that you go through, and if you go through there. But one time 
we get stuck there, during high water. Remember we tried to walk and you got all wet?  
 
Friend of Alice  08:53 
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It's only about this much. And it comes down like this. 
 
Winona Weber  08:57 
Kind of a bluff?  
 
Friend of Alice  08:58 
Yeah, it's the hole.  
 
Winona Weber  09:00 
Oh.  
 
Friend of Alice  09:01 
And that water, when the ocean comes in, it hits like this and just rough like this. 
 
Alice Newton  09:07 
We stayed down there too long. 
 
Friend of Alice  09:09 
Just that one little walkway and you walk back-- with your back to the wall. And then you get to 
the other side and then you're run like dickens! [Laughter.] Because we can always go there if we 
didn't get wet. 
 
Alice Newton  09:20 
Yeah. 
 
Friend of Alice  09:20 
And then we used to always go swimming. First good day, we'd go down and go swimming. 
Down by Harry Shale's down there.  
 
Alice Newton  09:29 
No matter what we'd go swimming and we used to be real cold. Then I'd stop by [inaudible]'s 
and put lipstick on so my mom wouldn't see my blue lips. 
 
Friend of Alice  09:39 
--see your blue lips.  
 
Winona Weber  09:40 
What did you do about your hair?  
 
Alice Newton  09:41 
Oh, I used to. I used to be the-- 
 
Friend of Alice  09:44 
Glamor girl. 
 
Alice Newton  09:44 
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--clown of the village, I think. No--  
 
Friend of Alice  09:46 
Clown of the villages [laughs]? 
 
Alice Newton  09:47 
I was always little Alice. But when I'd go swimming, I used to always lose my panties and my 
shoes sometimes. And one time I went swimming and I got real smart. And I got to-- couldn't 
find my panties again. So I was like, well I might as well go home and face the music, you know. 
I was walking up Main Street there, and everybody's looking at us, "Oh, little Alice, ha ha ha 
ha!" And I couldn't imagine why they were all laughing at. I got home and I went to go by the 
door there. And here I had my panties on my head . [Laughter.] I was a real clown, you know. 
Go down by [?Frida?]'s and they'd say, "No matter what little Alice was doing, we'd ask her." 
"What-- where are you going little Alice?" "I'm going down to the store and get me some [?blue 
anklets?]." [Tape noises.] 
 
Winona Weber  10:42 
Go down to the store and get some [?blue anklets?]. I told everybody that. [?Blue anklets?]  
 
Friend of Alice  10:51 
Yeah, [?boo?]. 
 
Alice Newton  10:54 
[Inaudible] I'd go, "[?roo?]." [Laughter.] 
 
Winona Weber  11:01 
Did Alice Jackson ever dry her-- any of her fruit or her berries?  
 
Alice Newton  11:08 
Not to my knowledge. She always canned. Always canned her fruit. I remember one time when 
she when she was getting old, she's going blind, you know? And she canned I don't know how 
many quarts of peaches. And we went to open them and all the liquid turned white; she put she 
put flour in there instead of sugar. 
 
Winona Weber  11:31 
Oh. 
 
Alice Newton  11:34 
Poor [?Chi'a?], all them had flour in there. I don't remember what we done with [inaudible]. 
 
Winona Weber  11:40 
Fed 'em to the chickens? 
 
Alice Newton  11:43 
She never had any chickens. She had a baby chicken. She had garden out and side there that had 
blueberries and gooseberries. 
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Friend of Alice  11:55 
Gooseberries, yeah. 
 
Alice Newton  11:57 
Gooseberries. Man, I used to get belly aches from eating them, too. But she always made 
baskets. She was a real basket maker. I wish I had some of the baskets, now. 
 
Winona Weber  12:13 
You never learned to do that? 
 
Alice Newton  12:15 
I did, just fooling around, you know. 'Course [?Dee Dee?] and us, we used to-- and Patsy and 
we'd make baskets to go over our fingers and-- 
 
Friend of Alice  12:22 
[Laughs.] 
 
Alice Newton  12:24 
--silly things like that. And just make a mess. But [?Chi'a?] never did get mad at us, did she? 
 
Friend of Alice  12:29 
Unh-uh. 
 
Alice Newton  12:29 
She never gotten mad at us. I don't remember her ever getting mad. My dad either. 
 
Winona Weber  12:45 
So any disciplining you got, you got from your mother? 
 
Alice Newton  12:48 
Mm-hmm. But don't [inaudible]-- I don't think I ever needed any discipline. Maybe, I don't 
know; maybe, I don't know. Like I say, I never was selfish. I never-- don't seem like ever wanted 
to do anything wrong or anything, you know. But I had a free rein to do anything I wanted. But I 
knew I couldn't stay out after, you know, a certain time. 
 
Friend of Alice  13:14 
And those lights would go on and we'd have to have lights and we'd have to be in the yard.  
 
Alice Newton  13:19 
Mm-hmm. 
 
Friend of Alice  13:19 
We never have electricity, but we still had lights. 
 
Alice Newton  13:23 
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I was scared of the dark anyhow. 
 
Friend of Alice  13:26 
'Cause the pitch lady would get you.  
 
Alice Newton  13:27 
[Laughs] yeah, pitch lady would get me. 
 
Friend of Alice  13:28 
We grew up with those-- that era.  
 
Alice Newton  13:30 
Yeah. 
 
Winona Weber  13:31 
What was the pitch lady? I've heard of it, but I didn't know what it was. 
 
Alice Newton  13:34 
Well, if you're out after dark, and-- the pitch lady makes her round with a great big basket. She's 
a big woman. Makes her round with a great big basket. And she picks up little kids that are out 
after dark and put pitch in their eyes and throws them in her basket.  
 
Friend of Alice  13:49 
Can't see where you're being taken to. Nobody wanted to be picked up by the pitch lady. 
 
Alice Newton  13:58 
Busted by the pitch lady. [Laughter.] 
 
Winona Weber  14:00 
Did that ever make you afraid of large women carrying a basket, though?  
 
Friend of Alice  14:07 
Sure made us scared of the dark. I was just deathly afraid of the dark. To this day, I won't go 
outside, even. And when I do I look this way and look this way. 
 
Alice Newton  14:21 
I think you're too big for the pitch lady [laughs]. 
 
Friend of Alice  14:22 
Then I holler-- when I would used to be home I'd go, "Uncle Sunny!" Then I would run over 
there real fast. I wouldn't be caught outside. 
 
Alice Newton  14:33 
If I got caught downtown when it was getting dark -- you know, get dark, you know, earlier in 
the wintertime -- and I'd always go to Ira--  
 
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Winona Weber  14:44 
What's his name?  
 
Friend of Alice  14:45 
No, Ira, the one that snuck--  
 
Alice Newton  14:48 
Yeah, I'd always go there and he'd take me home. Or Aubrey Strong.  
 
Friend of Alice  14:53 
Aubrey Strong.  
 
Alice Newton  14:53 
Aubrey Strong would take us home. You know, when we get caught downtown in the dark. 
 
Friend of Alice  14:53 
There was no telephones. 
 
Alice Newton  15:00 
It always-- but seemed like everybody always kind of protected each other then, you know. We 
didn't have to be afraid of any child molesters or anything like that. 
 
Winona Weber  15:10 
I once heard a woman, she gave a talk on Indian Child Welfare. And I wondered if you agreed 
with this. She said that, when you're on the reservation, when you're living on the reservation, 
any children that are around your house within your eyesight, your responsible for.  
 
Alice Newton  15:31 
I don't know, that seems to be automatic like that.  
 
Friend of Alice  15:34 
Uh-huh, that's automatic.  
 
Alice Newton  15:35 
Way we always thought, you know, because anybody was always invited in our house, you 
know. Unlike here, now. We never locked the door, you know. And like tribal days I always 
automatically get a bunch of stuff, you know, whatever I can afford at the time and nobody, I 
mean, nobody had to get permission. I mean, you just kinda-- The only way I get insulted is 
because somebody, you know, gets picky or don't wanna eat or something. But people know all 
the way around it. We-- that the place was always, you know-- 
 
Friend of Alice  16:06 
Open. Was [inaudible] no rip offs. 
 
Winona Weber  16:10 
Yeah. Was that the way Alice, um--? 
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Alice Newton  16:13 
Jackson? That's the way it was in the summertime. You know, we all-- anybody wanted to go 
camping, or then we went camping, you know? Can't remember too many people staying at our 
house but they always stayed at my mother's house. I-- remember when-- what's [inaudible]?  
 
Winona Weber  16:14 
Yeah. 
 
Friend of Alice  16:33 
Blanche.  
 
Alice Newton  16:34 
Blanche and-- 
 
Friend of Alice  16:36 
Johnson.  
 
Alice Newton  16:37 
Johnson. 
 
Friend of Alice  16:37 
John.  
 
Alice Newton  16:38 
Johnson.  
 
Friend of Alice  16:38 
Yeah.  
 
Alice Newton  16:38 
When Blanche and Johnson Mowich first came to Taholah, they-- I don't know how they knew 
my mom, but they come and they stayed at our house until they got their own place to stay. With 
Johnson Mowich and Blanche and [inaudible] and Willard. And I don't know, it seemed like 
more people stayed at my mom's house, you know. And they'd come down and hit my 
grandmother's. 
 
Winona Weber  17:05 
When someone would stay at your mother's, did you get sent to your grandmother's? 
 
Alice Newton  17:09 
No. I just come-- I can always remember, I just come and went as I pleased. You know, I don't 
know whatever motivated me to go from one place to another, but I just kinda done that.  
 
Winona Weber  17:22 
What about when you started school? 
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Alice Newton  17:25 
Well, that was a tough time for me because I never wore shoes, you know. And I was always 
losing my shoes. I'd take my shoes off but I never wore shoes and I had a hard time. But when I-- 
I don't know, whether shoes smothered my feet or what, but when I started school, my mom 
would make me wear knee highs and I don't remember what kind of shoes but I'd get down out 
of sight of Mom's down the corner, I'd sit down and take my shoes and socks off and I could run 
all the way to school. [Laughter.]  
 
Friend of Alice  17:56 
Yeah. Those shoes were Daisy Maes, remember? Daisy Maes. You'd have to go looking for your 
Daisy Maes.  
 
Alice Newton  18:05 
Oh. 
 
Winona Weber  18:07 
No wonder you took them off. I would too. 
 
Friend of Alice  18:09 
Yeah, now that's a fashion again. They're right up around your ankles now, again. 
 
Alice Newton  18:13 
I remember when I was -- I forget how old I was -- I wanted a fur coat. I kept wanting a fur coat. 
And my grandmother took me to Jerome's, I think the name of it was, and I got a fur coat, little 
tan fur coat and then a fur hat. So then-- and I used to go to Myrtle's a lot, too, and I used to sleep 
with her and Fred. And I had this fur coat and I went to Myrtle's and I kept [inaudible] to 
[?Chi'a?] too that I wanted high-- red high heels to go with my fur coat. And Myrtle finally find 
some, size ones and a half. So I had red high heels to go with my fur coat. [Laughter.] 
 
Winona Weber  18:48 
You couldn't have been very old if your grandmother got it for you.  
 
Alice Newton  18:54 
No I wasn't. 
 
Friend of Alice  18:56 
Probably 10. 
 
Alice Newton  18:58 
But I always-- well I had kind of long dresses, you know, my grandmother, but I'd get dresses 
from down the store and she'd always get them kinda long. 
 
Friend of Alice  19:05 
And you always had to wear a smock. Smock over it [inaudible] kick yourself. 
 
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Winona Weber  19:14 
How long would you have to wear your dress in between washes? [?Of the?], you know--  
 
Alice Newton  19:20 
I changed every day [inaudible] day.  
 
Friend of Alice  19:21 
Every day. 
 
Alice Newton  19:22 
I always changed every day. I never-- didn't never had no regulations like that.  
 
Winona Weber  19:27 
Well, I mean, you know.  
 
Alice Newton  19:28 
Yeah. I changed every day.  
 
Winona Weber  19:32 
Clean your rest of the day. I don't even wear clean jeans every day.  
 
Alice Newton  19:37 
I don't either, anymore. But I always had to wear long stockings. Man, I ha ted that. 
 
Friend of Alice  19:47 
They didn't have pantyhose [inaudible]. 
 
Alice Newton  19:50 
Mm-mm. 
 
Friend of Alice  19:50 
Long socks. [?They'd?] break. 
 
Winona Weber  19:56 
Oh really? What are they made out of?  
 
Alice Newton  19:59 
Cotton. 
 
Friend of Alice  20:00 
Cotton. Very flattering [laughs]. 
 
Alice Newton  20:05 
Everybody had-- it was in the wintertime, during school. 
 
Winona Weber  20:11 
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How did you like school? 
 
Alice Newton  20:12 
All right. I never minded school. I just-- I remember, I got in trouble once and the teacher went 
and slapped my hands with a ruler and I went back and told my dad and my dad went down and 
hit Mr. Wallace and really raised heck down at school. Told him never to hit me again. Because I 
don't think I even got hit-- my dad ever hit me or my grandmother. Like I said, I can never even 
remember them getting mad at me. Not that I was perfect, I don't know. I just don't remember 
them ever getting mad at me. 
 
Winona Weber  20:57 
Very doting.  
 
Alice Newton  20:58 
Yeah.  
 
Winona Weber  20:59 
Well, your mother never hit you did she? 
 
Alice Newton  21:02 
She spanked my butt, though. [Laughter.] Especially when I-- every once in a while, I'd forget to 
come home periodically, and I'd get spanked all the way home. We were always making 
different kinds of houses, you know. We'd find, like, big logs, you know, that would have 
different [inaudible] and stuff [?growing up?] and we'd make houses out of that.  
 
Winona Weber  21:39 
What did you add here? 
 
Friend of Alice  21:40 
Clerk. Is a-- 
 
Winona Weber  21:42 
Oh. 
 
Friend of Alice  21:43 
[Inaudible] not a mailman. 
 
Alice Newton  21:45 
That's what I always thought he was, a mailman, something.  
 
Winona Weber  21:48 
That's what I thought he was, too.  
 
Alice Newton  21:49 
Something with the mails.  
 
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Friend of Alice  21:50 
Yeah. But when you're just the mailman, then you're delivery.  
 
Winona Weber  21:54 
Oh, ok.  
 
Friend of Alice  21:54 
And he's a window clerk. 
 
Winona Weber  21:56 
Ok. Put that on there and cross that other one out. I'll just transfer that to another form when I get 
it; I just ran out of these.  
 
Friend of Alice  22:12 
Window clerk. 
 
Alice Newton  22:13 
My childhood was like-- I don't know, it was just real good. 
 
Winona Weber  22:18 
Did you live all your life in Taholah until you-- until Auntie [?Reed?] started working in the 
shipyard? 
 
Alice Newton  22:26 
[Inaudible] all my life until we-- until 1941, till they bombed Pearl Harbor. And my step-dad-- 
my step-dad, they drafted him accidentally, see? 'Cause he was-- you know, they took the single 
men, or they were supposed to take the single men. [Inaudible] I don't know, he accidentally got 
on the single men's list and he didn't feel justified in not going, you know. So we went. And then 
when he went, Mom and I packed up and went to Seattle. And that was a whole new ballgame. 
 
Friend of Alice  23:06 
His name isn't Ernest. It's Ernie. 
 
Winona Weber  23:08 
Ernie, ok. How did you feel when you went from this little town of Taholah, where you were 
surrounded by Indians...?  
 
Alice Newton  23:21 
Was pretty traumatic, I guess, because I just got in trouble after that. I just couldn't adjust, you 
know. And then, see, I got in trouble, then they-- why Auntie Nye -- your grandma -- took me 
down Taholah. When I ran out of places in Seattle, you know, she took me down Taholah before 
they put me in the institution. And I got along good there. I was going to school in Moclips and 
everything. And Auntie Nye used to have prayer meeting there. That's when I [?digged?] right 
next to the--  
 
Winona Weber  23:34 
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[?Who all?]?  
 
Alice Newton  23:51 
And-- 
 
Friend of Alice  23:54 
[Inaudible] Main Street.  
 
Winona Weber  24:01 
In Taholah? 
 
Alice Newton  24:02 
Uh-huh. And used to have prayer meeting there. And they had a curfew [?then?] that they were 
real strict about. And some of the ladies didn't drink coffee and so I went next door and got pop. 
[?Must have been?] [inaudible], right?  [Inaudible] 12 years old and maybe [inaudible] 13 
[inaudible]. 
 
Friend of Alice  24:20 
[Inaudible]. At nine o'clock. 
 
Alice Newton  24:25 
I went right at nine o'clock and we were just right next door, you know. And I went and got some 
pop and-- 
 
Friend of Alice  24:33 
Langdon. 
 
Alice Newton  24:34 
--Langdon wouldn't see me there. I didn't do nothing that night and then when I went to school 
the next morning he come and busted me in school. And didn't even take me down to Taholah; 
that was in Moclips. He took me right directly to Seattle and dropped me in the juvenile. Boy, 
Auntie Nye she just-- she used to cuss when she'd get mad. Then, she cussed him up one side and 
down the other. But it was real unfair you know, what they done. And they took me right through 
there into the institution. And once you do that, I mean, that's all it is, you know, that's all it was 
for me; it was institutions until I was 18 years old. 
 
Winona Weber  25:17 
When you were old enough to be out of there. 
 
Alice Newton  25:21 
Well, about 18, right after that. Well, I mean, you know-- 
 
Winona Weber  25:24 
Yeah. 
 
Alice Newton  25:27 
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But it was real traumatic. I mean, I just-- I don't know, I just... And my mom, well, worked, 
well... I didn't go to school, you know, sometimes I-- if I didn't feel like going to school I didn't 
go to school. I don't know why I wasn't at school down in Taholah. 
 
Friend of Alice  25:51 
[Inaudible] mom was traveling school bus at that time, too.  
 
Winona Weber  25:54 
Oh, really?  
 
Friend of Alice  25:57 
Mm-hmm. There was too many kids going to high school for the big bus. And so, my dad got 
mom-- was it a 12 passenger? Twelve passenger van, and that's how the overflow went to school. 
Mom drove a little bus.  
 
Alice Newton  26:23 
I must have been in high school-- was I in high school now? I don't know what grade I was in 
when that happened. I don't even remember. Auntie [inaudible]. 
 
Friend of Alice  26:30 
Well, seemed like it was the seventh grade, but you-- 
 
Winona Weber  26:33 
You went to Moclips?  
 
Friend of Alice  26:34 
Yeah, Moclips, seventh grade went to Moclips.  
 
Alice Newton  26:37 
Well, I went to sixth [inaudible]. But they took me from there to the Indian Agency, from the 
Indian Agency up to Seattle. 
 
Winona Weber  26:53 
Hmm. There was such a-- such an emphasis put on civilizing the Indians, especially in the 40s. 
We'd get a lot of that in our legal [?problems, stuff?] and stuff. 
 
Alice Newton  27:02 
Mm-hmm. Well it was pretty hectic because it was during wartime, you know, and so many of 
the Indian people went from the reservations, you know, to the cities to work in munition plants, 
and shipyards, and Boeings and things like that. And the kids-- they kinda left the kids to 
themselves, you know, to adjust and whatever, to themselves. 
 
Winona Weber  27:33 
Did [?Aunt Reed?] just move from Taholah up to Seattle just for that job? 
 
Alice Newton  27:37 
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Uh-huh. Yeah.  
 
Friend of Alice  27:41 
There's no jobs better than that, you know? 
 
Winona Weber  27:42 
Oh, yeah. 
 
Alice Newton  27:46 
My stepdad kind of left her high and dry, you know. Everything happened so fast and then she 
had to [inaudible]. And there was a lot of work up there, so we just moved up there. And I think 
your mom and-- were up there then, too, and your grandma. 
 
Friend of Alice  28:02 
Mm-hmm. Yeah. 
 
Alice Newton  28:03 
So it wasn't that hard, moving for us. 
 
Winona Weber  28:07 
Kind of had a family already up there. 
 
Alice Newton  28:10 
Well, your mom always-- your mom-- 
 
Child  28:11 
[Crosstalk] Nana! 
 
Friend of Alice  28:12 
We were always real close.  What? No. 
 
Child  28:17 
Nana. 
 
Friend of Alice  28:18 
Oh. 
 